clinton if she chooses to run will be more mid in, if -- formidable. >> and afl-cio will spend about 300 million dollars for a biggest -- to go after g.o.p., and midterms in michigan, ohio, pennsylvania wisconsin, and florida. that is a lot of money. >> it is a lot of money, my %-by chamb of commerce andwhat business group, money is prevalent in politics, what they have traditionaly. lou: is that rotten really? >> it can be coming absurd. the key thing that afl-cio said they always had people, a good volunteer program, that may make a difference in a midterm. in a presidential elect 60% turn out, in midterm 40% turn out. lou: i want to change the subject, ed is a exper on many ings we draw on his expertise all the time but ed is also a 5 time gden glove champion, and tonight is also anniversary of sonny liston clay fight. >> 50 years ago is when was fighting too, i looked a lot different, ahenomenal fight. clay, had a olympic champion, he was brash, he was hat. sonny liston of the most fierce om fighter of his e, he was mob controlled, it was everyone was -- lou: slow down, mob-contr